Date: 2016-02-14 05:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taki-net.livejournal.com
Вот что его так колбасит? Причем год от года все сильнее.

Date: 2016-02-14 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pargentum.livejournal.com
Куздра покусал?

Date: 2016-02-14 07:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kouzdra.livejournal.com
Вам же Орешкин, на которого чуть дальше неаполитанский певец c Валетовым на пару ссылку дали уже разьяснил же - Орда-с.

Хррр-Хррр-Хурагх!

От себя добавлю со ссылкой на маркиза-педереса - еще и византисты-схизматики - Не подумайте, например, что разгром Польши есть следствие злопамятства императора; он -- результат холодного и глубокого расчета. С точки зрения правоверных русских, эти зверства достойны величайшей похвалы; сам Святой Дух нисходит на самодержца и возносит его душу превыше человеческих чувств, а Господь благословляет исполнителя его высших предначертаний; по этой логике, чем больше варварства в поступках судей и палачей, тем больше в них святости.

Ваши легитимистские журналисты не знают, что делают, когда ищут себе союзников среди схизматиков

Date: 2016-02-15 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pargentum.livejournal.com
Валетов вам грубо льстит.
Посмотрите на себя в зеркало. Какая вы в жопу орда? Какие вам в пизду императоры?

Вы кучка закомплексованных мудаков, которые всерьез поверили в то, чему учат в советской школе. И вам это сломало психику и жизнь.
И норот, который готов на словах поддержать семихуя восьминогого, лишь бы от него (норота) отвязались.
Смесь вонючая, но к содержательной деятельности - даже в том объеме, который нужен для орды - органически неспособная.

Date: 2016-02-15 06:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kouzdra.livejournal.com
Эк вас с такинетом распидорасило

Наверное и правда я покусал :))))

Date: 2016-02-15 06:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kouzdra.livejournal.com
PS: И это - если и льстит - то не Валетов, а видный активист и болотный демократ Дмитрий Орешкин, которому Ельцин и Гайдар в 1993 даровали свободу Компьютер:

https://openrussia.org/post/view/12775/

Сама по себе лекция не так, чтобы бред - скорее дилетатски-публицистические перепевки Гумилева и возмонжо прочих авторов типа того же Пайпса (хотя я не уверен, что он что-то кроме Гумилева читал) - но ордусь-ордусь там главная идейа.

Скорее странно что кроме Валетова и Неаполитанского за нее никто из т-сть "15% нормальных людей россии" не уцепился. Я-то ожидал волны перепостов на тему что "старик Орешкин все раскрыл"

Date: 2016-02-15 06:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pargentum.livejournal.com
Не, я Орешкина прочитал. Он вам тоже льстит.

Все-таки, несмотря на все внешние сходства, между вами и сталиным, а также между сталиным и ордынством нет прямой генетической связи.

Самый удачный анализ этого был у Пелевина. Советские социальные инженеры счищали с населения слой культуры, надеясь получить чистую доску для рисования на ней новейшего человека. А вместо чистой доски открылся даже не ветхий человек, а явления, которые уже во времена Ветхого Завета считались дикостью (хотя и не были до конца изжиты) - украшение тела, ритуальное людоедство и прочий Фрейзер.

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Интересно, а кем надо быть, чтобы всерьёз поддерживать государство, называемое Украина?

Ваше мнение?

Date: 2016-02-18 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pargentum.livejournal.com
А что такого страшного в Украине, что вас даже при попытке ее правильно назвать так корежит?
Украинское правительство, во всяком случае, не врет взахлеб, как путинские шлюшки, и не угрожает ядерным пеплом направо и налево. И не лезет захватывать и загаживать чужую землю.

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Date: 2016-02-14 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vvagr.livejournal.com
Это вы о Вагнере? Его известно кто покусал, на самой заре карьеры. Он периодически жалуется. И нет, это не куздра.

Date: 2016-02-14 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] taki-net.livejournal.com
Гм, кажется, догадываюсь.

Date: 2016-02-15 12:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vvagr.livejournal.com
Я просто проверял, нет ли у меня аберраций памяти :-) Но, кажется, ты тоже помнишь :-)))

На самом деле он без замка жаловался, так что можно и открытым текстом. На него тяжело повлияло общение с ailev в период работы над движком Либертариума, когда он был вынужден прочесть классиков либертарианства и австризма.

Date: 2016-02-15 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pargentum.livejournal.com
ailev - личность колоритная, но не до такой же степени! И на либертариуме тех времен я не припомню чего-то настолько ужасного. Так что, наверное, все-таки это был не непосредственно покус, а триггер, включивший какую-то preexisting problem.

Как говорил по немного другому поводу Винопивец, на слабые мозги сокрушительное действие может оказать что угодно.

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Date: 2016-02-15 10:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pargentum.livejournal.com
Он эти жалобы под замком публикует? Или это такие тонкие намеки, что без знания специфики и не догадаться, о чем идет речь?

Date: 2016-02-14 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trurle.livejournal.com
Узко-формально он прав. Типа дерево свободы нужно поливать время от времени кровью патриотов и тиранов, это для него естественное удобрение.

Date: 2016-02-15 03:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pargentum.livejournal.com
Прямо вот миллионами патриотов?

Date: 2016-02-15 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trurle.livejournal.com
В Гражданской Войне погибло около миллиона человек из 30 миллионов населения/

Date: 2016-02-15 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pargentum.livejournal.com
Это весьма прискорбно, но, как я понимаю, это не единственная и даже не основная причина прочности и гордости соединенных штатов.

Date: 2016-02-15 06:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kouzdra.livejournal.com
afaik оценки - 300-600 тыс. Но в общем все равно прилично, ну а во Франции еще энергичнее в % вышло - даже если только террор и гражданскую считать.

В этом смысле кстати гражданская война в России сравнительно бескровна - собственно жертв военных действий около миллиона на 140 млн человек, остальные 7-9 млн от гриппа и голодухи попередохли

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Это Вы про США? А кто там был тиран и кто патриот?

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В "революцию" население колоний сократилось на треть. Что особенно вставляет, когда вьезжаешь в Канаду через американскую глубинку, скажем, по 97 шоссе.

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From: [identity profile] kouzdra.livejournal.com
На сам деле куда более забавный вопрос - отчего в россии дерево свободы никак не приживается - поливай его или не поливай.

Щас в среде такинетов популярна гипотеза, что 85% телевизор покусал - но раньше-то телевизора не было - а перестроечный опыт "насильственного внедрения свободы" далеко не первый.

Может и правда - зомбиленд - сразу при рождении кусают.

From: [identity profile] pargentum.livejournal.com
В дельте Окаванго оно тоже не очень приживается. Более интересный вопрос - что будет происходить с культурами с неприжившимся деревом свободы, или, точнее, с каждой конкретной культурой: приживят ли им это дерево с прижиганием, как немцам или японцам, или оставят для зоопарка, как северных корейцев.
From: [identity profile] kouzdra.livejournal.com
Я склоняюсь к тому что оставят в покое. Что собственно и будет с моей точки зрения на данном этапе успехом. Собственно крым и война на донбассе - для меня (да и для елитки) именно встречный ответ на волну "освободительного свойства" - запоздалый - но все-таки - на чужой территории.

Потому как Бомба - в общем возможность поживиться на внедрении свободы не стоит сопутствующих рисков, а "криптополитическими методами" вроде как не получается. Как и в Иране например не получилось.

PS: а вы полагаете что у немцев и японцев свобода прижилась? Оно там держится внешне imho ровно до того момента пока столик не толкнут и шарик не покатится куда обычно.

Но вообще очень забавно ваше представление о "свободе" как чем-то что насильно насаждается извне - противоречия не видите? В том числе практического? :)

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From: [identity profile] karpion.livejournal.com
Почему Вы уверены, что именно свобода в понимании Дяди Сэма не только сейчас даёт преимущество народам, но и будет давать преимущество впредь, во все времена?
Почему Вы уверены, что лет через десять не получится так, что государство с совершенно несвободным (по меркам Дяди Сэма) строем не наваляет Дяде Сэму и всем его прихвостням?

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